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Are you a fruitarian?
if you are a fruit eater, then you may have realized, that it is the most beautiful thing to in love with like minded fruitarians.
Are you dissapointed, that you did not find your soulmate yet?
Are fruitarians so special or to difficult to unite that only a few meet, or are they so few or spreaded all over the world without knowing them?
Are the fruitarians part of aa asocial society gap?
I think it's a sad fact that with the addictive nature of cooked food and the perception that you have to be perfect to be a Fruitarian I don't think we are are going to get the numbers of people using Fruitarian forums like we should do and that really needs to change because Fruitarianism is more wide spread then most people think it's just that people like to run away from "being labelled".
I think that any one that uses a Fruitarian forum is a pioneer....capable of helping to change the face of Fruitarianism...
So it is..
Fruitarians are human world-culture pioneers and they have to be more passioned, clear and sharp with all their sences, spreading healthy vital power and the elemental knowledge, to stay stable in hamrony with the tantric Cosmos.
Fruitarians will still go ahead, and practice the essencial meaning of life to be a real human, even when the human race may again.
Fruitarians stand up, it is not time to die out yet. ons@
Established fruitarians are capable and prepared to find eachother - Eden makes sence.
ons @
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Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:10 pm
The last days i had been thinking about my fruitarian friends and i was pecialy wondering about Mango.
Today i went to the fruit-market and the people told me that they have seen my friend. I went home with my fruits and afterwards i met my fruitarian friend Mango who will travel to Australia in some days.
It was just coincidence.. and i had been happy to see him so fine.
He had been talking to me about other fruitarians and their healthy childs and he gave me a beautyful strange looking fruit of tailand, that tasted very nice inside. It was actually looking like a dark figner.thick tube and inside it had some hard grains and a sweet taste - some sort of mixture of dryed plums and carob.
I appreciate my new fruit-experience and i have to say,that we had a beautiful time together.
ons @
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Sat Dec 02, 2006 11:50 am
I am glad that you are here and it is the right place to write. You have also your personal fruitarian forum called passionfruit.
Here and there you may express your individual messages.
This and other fruitarian forums you may use to find more fruit - friends.
Thank you. I wish I could make your party but will be in cold Paris and then London until the new year. I would love to be around fruit eaters. I do not know any except online. My friends eat meat, lol..I have to go out and watch them eat cheeseburgers..
I AM GLAD to meet other fruit eaters. I need support and inspiration. I believe this is the best diet.
My resoluti on for 2007 is to have an all fruit year@@@!!!
Dear Suvine, i moved your beautiful foto into your thread. it is a link to your flick Gallery. i hope you like it. regs fruiteater.
ons @ --
I am very happy today
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Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:28 am
Where you survive you can live quite well with the fruitarian diet. When you come to Europe ( France/Paris) then it is much cooler then in Miami Beach, that i can promise.
In Spain we lost our subtropical micro-climate-zones also for some known reasons.
You may find every day less healthy fruitgardens and we cannot compare Spain with Miami.
Spain used to be one of the most beutiful paradise-places of Europe.
The subvention politics had been destroying nearly all almond-and fruitree- famers in Spain, including the trees and the agricultural tradicion incuding the deserted country, when the almonds from California had been rollling over the spanish market. That is the storry old farmers are telling.
Here we live mostly in a dessert. And where is water, there is growing Paradise.
Balta went from Saulus to Paulus, as he was a prisoned spanish bankrobber.
During his prison he changed his life and went to get a raw foodist.
Today he has a raw diet finca in South of Spain. ..
Also for fruitarians. He is the man with the white beard and some sort of an idol for young people without perspective, because he shows, that it is not necessary to robb banks..when he is planting fruit - trees in his little paradise.
ons @
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Location: paris, france
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Sun Dec 17, 2006 5:00 pm
i only see this message now. When will you be in paris? i would love to meet you.
Also wanted to post this link: eat raw food. ėt is like myspace, but only with rawfood people. i saw a couple of fruitarians. Check it out! teufeltanz
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Sun Dec 17, 2006 5:38 pm
Dear Pelagus, i am sorry that i could not come to Paris. I am too busy in the moment and i cannot leave. you are invited to visit me too. If you have luck, you still might neet suvine in Paris. thank u 4 the link.
ons @
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Wed Dec 27, 2006 3:35 am
Dear fruitarians
Since the 21st of December FrugiLove is running. It still has to be fruitarianized a little bit.
That will happen slowly. Fruitarian suggestions and translations are very welcome. It is a simple Program to find fruitarian friends. If you get spam thrue the platform. Inform me immediately and i will build in a password protection. Cristina from Maastricht had been animating me to offer this free service. That is my Chrismaspresent to all fruitarians of the world. The script is written in various languages. Our Frugi-love is a global star in the fruitarian sky. Please register and try. Please recommend our global Datingsite to fruitarians only. That is part of the concept. The users have to be over 18 years old, 100% fruitarians to get registered.
This is "worldwide" the first real exclusive fruitarian dating site i know.
fruitarians are invited to find eachother.
essencial Karma liberating non violence fruitarians only
Fruitarians go ahead, specially nowadays..
ons @
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Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:23 am
I had an interesting discussion with f1, Dave and Peggy in the living nutrition forum
Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: fruitarianone (IP Logged)
Date: June 28, 2006 03:06PM
I'd love to...maybe one day I can bring the family out on a vacation.
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: fruit eater (IP Logged)
Date: June 22, 2006 05:05AM
Dear David and firends
Kind regards from the longterm fruit eater Rudolf sAPPEL,
[www.fruitarian.de]
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: fruitarianone (IP Logged)
Date: June 22, 2006 03:15PM
Nice one.
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: Dave Klein - Moderator (IP Logged)
Date: June 22, 2006 10:09PM
Nice to connect but what is your name? Hope to learn more about you. I have been a 90% fruit eater for 22 years. Too bad I cannot read your web sites. It's great to know there are fruitarians in Europe. Where do you all live and what is your life like?
Fruitful regards,
Dave
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: fruit eater (IP Logged)
Date: June 23, 2006 04:22AM
Dear Dave,
it is a pleasure to connect with you and other fruitarians all over the world.
My name is Rudolf Sappel and you also can call me @.
My fruitarian story is as long as my life, but it restarted years later.
Since 1991 i began vegetarian, and since 1994/95 i went on fruitarian.
Also we are working on a fruitarian movie.
Little statistics from vitavegetare after the interview:
Could you imagine, only to eat fruits?
Ja / Yes
14%
Nein, das finde ich nicht gesund / No, i find it unhealthy..
55%
Würde es gerne ausprobieren / Iīd like to try it...
fruit power, thatīs great, regs to Dave and fruitarianone.
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: fruitarianone (IP Logged)
Date: June 23, 2006 08:39AM
Wow...Fruit eater....sounds like things are really buzzing for Fruitarians over there in Europe!!!!
Thanks for the link....FRUITARIANS OF THE WORLD UNITE!!!!!...let's make it happen!
F1
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: fruit eater (IP Logged)
Date: June 24, 2006 06:07PM
That would be beautiful F1. The food scandals make people think and talk more about food..thanx for the link, @
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: fruitarianone (IP Logged)
Date: June 25, 2006 08:40AM
I think it's a sad fact that with the addictive nature of cooked food and the perception that you have to be perfect to be a Fruitarian I don't think we are are going to get the numbers of people using Fruitarian forums like we should do and that really needs to change because Fruitarianism is more wide spread then most people think it's just that people like to run away from "being labelled".
I think that any one that uses a Fruitarian forum is a pioneer....capable of helping to change the face of Fruitarianism...
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: fruit eater (IP Logged)
Date: June 25, 2006 09:40AM
you wrote: I think it's a sad fact that with the addictive nature of cooked food and the perception that you have to be perfect to be a Fruitarian I don't think we are are going to get the numbers of people using Fruitarian forums like we should do and that really needs to change because Fruitarianism is more wide spread then most people think it's just that people like to run away from "being labelled".
I think that any one that uses a Fruitarian forum is a pioneer....capable of helping to change the face of Fruitarianism...
Strong F1 Buddy you are so right.
The tough part is, that fruitarians have to stand a lot of difficulties.
To stay healthy in a wolrd of poison, Gen-cloning with Worldwars for Fruit and Water - as all the bad things.. we donīt want to know anymore..they are allready happening.
The fruitarian survivers have to be real prepared tough kids, to stand all that banging arround the world.
PElAgAgUS wrote:
Looking for vegan, raw vegan & fruitarian singles
....
i'm working on a project about vegan, raw vegan & fruitarian singles.
pElAgUS
If you want to make further contacts, the english speaking fruitarian friendly Pelagus is also looking.
[www.pelagus.net]
Indeed, there is need- @
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: fruitarianone (IP Logged)
Date: June 25, 2006 03:05PM
So true....I think for a lot of people it's a culture shock because initially it is so hard to survive the judgments of the modern world and at times it seems at times that for many it's just easier to give up on the whole idea. I guess that's what people like us are here for!!!!!
regards
F1
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: fruit eater (IP Logged)
Date: June 25, 2006 07:48PM
I think for a lot of people it's a culture shock because initially it is so hard to survive the judgments of the modern world and at times it seems at times that for many it's just easier to give up on the whole idea. I guess that's what people like us are here for!!!!!
fruitarianism is so pure, that most of the people just blow up with a culture shock.
F1:..Fruitarianism is more wide spread then most people think it's just that people like to run away from "being labelled".
To be a fruitarian in Europe can be very tough..
Sometimes we even have to be aware not to be nailed on political crosses.
For that reason i can fully understand, why a lot fruitarians seem to hide so shy.
There are some fruitarians on this planet and always will be, who try to live elemental.
In Germany some rawfooders had been initiating a rough public fight and some of them went so big and strong, that they are labeled as one of the most dangerous sects in Germany.
Some dudes had been trying to involve the fruitarians aswell in their stupid fight... so whats right, shut up and be happy and bright, or talk and get ready to fight.?
I think that fruitarians have to be most clever, for ever..
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: fruitarianone (IP Logged)
Date: June 25, 2006 07:53PM
Yeah...there's a bad side to every thing I guess...that's why I prefer to concentrate on fitness, it's more fun breaking down barriers that way...
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: fruit eater (IP Logged)
Date: June 25, 2006 08:35PM
You are doing right.. and may know how adictive internet is, and how much time we are wasting with machines.
Nothing is better then to go his own way by doing it right in Nature.
Also we want to talk with other fruitarians, and they are so few spread arround the whole word. For that reason we use the Web, but it is not the same, as we are thousands of miles separated.
There are a lot of people, dreaming to reach your fitness level...but they cannot do it in one day, so they dream anyway away.
You show how strong fruitarians can be. Thats great.
regs @
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: fruitarianone (IP Logged)
Date: June 25, 2006 10:02PM
Yes the internet isn't the same as getting out and being active, I'm having visions of doing some work in my own community and meeting up with people face to face.
regards
F1
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: fruit eater (IP Logged)
Date: June 25, 2006 10:28PM
you are invited in the fruitpalace.
Visit me, if you can or if you want.
If not you will be a fruitarian internet friend.
I cannot leave, because i am to busy here.
Of course iīd like to have fruitarian friends arround, to visit us.
A small community would be ok.
May be i am to individual, to life in a community?..
At least i need my own space, and there are communities, they respect even that.
Also I want to be alone with myself.
With my girlfriend it was different.
I did not want to be separated from her.
It is very beautiful, to have a real friend.
You know that, and i know it, that you know,
because i saw that happy dog..and a strong buddy..go ahead H1
stay cool--regs @
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: fruitarianone (IP Logged)
Date: June 26, 2006 09:15AM
Hey ....I'm honoured....
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: fruit eater (IP Logged)
Date: June 26, 2006 11:06AM
Itīs a pleasure and great honour to receive F1 with fruit-power in the fruit-tower of Europe.
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: fruitarianone (IP Logged)
Date: June 27, 2006 11:26AM
Fruit eater....something you said made me think....
You said that Fruitarians have to be tough and you are so right, I think the ones that are successful are the tough ones though...but it got me thinking about the kind of people that Fruitarianism attracts as opposed to Raw Veganism as we know it today with their "raw" ice creams and choc chip cookies!
It kinda gives me another view on how it can be so isolating for Fruitarians.
But I tell you what...while they have their ice cream ...we can go bungee jumping!!
How's that sound????
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: fruit eater (IP Logged)
Date: June 27, 2006 02:03PM
Yes, a lot of people stand all day long in their kitchen preparing food and washing dishes...
bungee jumping, sounds fantastic...
I am not that advanced, because i go caving,
and climbing in nature - most of the time barefoot.
sometimes i dream about parashooting..
fight the fear - jump down without beeing shy..
instead i wonīt like to waste the planet.
may be i keep caving..with less polution.
I donīt realy know, because i am allready getting 44.
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: fruitarianone (IP Logged)
Date: June 27, 2006 02:31PM
Age aint nuttun but a number!!!!
I remember when I went caving as a school boy....it scared the life out of me!!
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: fruit eater (IP Logged)
Date: June 27, 2006 06:14PM
Would you like to go caving with us?
Posted by: fruit eater (IP Logged)
Date: June 28, 2006 04:45PM
how many?
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: fruitarianone (IP Logged)
Date: June 29, 2006 02:26PM
There's about 4 of us .....and a doberman!
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: fruit eater (IP Logged)
Date: June 29, 2006 04:13PM
how long would you like to stay?
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: fruitarianone (IP Logged)
Date: June 29, 2006 05:04PM
Are you inviting us out there? if you are then thanks a lot...We got too many financial commitments right now to even think about going anywhere right now but please keep your offer open because we are gonna make it out there and do some traveling sometime!!!!
Then I'll show you how fast a fruitarian can run out of a cave!!!!!
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: fruitarianone (IP Logged)
Date: June 29, 2006 05:41PM
Hey Fruit Eater....are you the guy dangling from a rope on a mountain on one of those german fruitarian forums?
Hey also check out my website http:www.fruitarianlife.tripod.com it's pretty old now but hey.....
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: fruit eater (IP Logged)
Date: June 30, 2006 02:03AM
Sorry, but the page or the file that you're looking for is not here. www.fruitarianlife.tripod.com
So you had been looking at the foto.
That was short while ago, when we did one of our mountain tours.
when ever you are arround, visit me.
my situation is changing also and i am about to move.
where the fruit are you living right now?
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: fruitarianone (IP Logged)
Date: June 30, 2006 09:53AM
Nice one!!
I'm on watermelon right now!
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: fruit eater (IP Logged)
Date: June 30, 2006 10:17AM
Are your familiy members also living on the fruitararian diet...except your dog?
Iīm still on peppers and tomatos. The melons are appearing slowly on the marcet. I will wait a little bit for the main saison.
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: fruitarianone (IP Logged)
Date: June 30, 2006 10:28AM
Oooops!!! wrong address....[fruitarianlife.tripod.com]
The rest of my family are vegans but the dog is raw...he eats raw meat and bones.
I say eat what makes you happy there's no strict rules.
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: fruit eater (IP Logged)
Date: July 1, 2006 03:19PM
Your fruitarian site is cute. I hope a lot of people will make fruitarian fitness.
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: fruitarianone (IP Logged)
Date: July 1, 2006 04:27PM
Yeah it's pretty old now....
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: fruit eater (IP Logged)
Date: July 4, 2006 05:37AM
Thatīs even better,.. so itīs improved and indestructable strong.
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: fruit eater (IP Logged)
Date: December 27, 2006 11:05AM
Fruitarian Chrismas and happy new year.
Our first global exclusive fruitarians dating site in 31 languages is activated.
FrugiLove is reserved only for fruitarians and a fee free global service from the european fruitarian network.
Find your fruitarian friends and letīs stick together.
Beloved fruitarians, you are invited to get registered in your own language to find your fruitarian friend- and relationships. We are still adapting the simple program for fruitarian needs.
Feliz Navidad frugivor@ y una buena noche vieja. Nuestra programa busca pareja Frugivor@ global esta activado. Frugilove ayuda frugivor@s solit@s.
La primera pagina frugivor@ busca pareja frugivor@ mundial es un servicio gratuito de la red frugivor@.
Querido frugivor@s estais invitad@s a registrar se en Espaņol para encontrar vuestros amistades y parejas frugivor@s. Esta información la puedes reenviar a todas l@s frugivor@s que creas le puede interesar. Todavia estamos adaptandola programa para los necesidades frugivor@s
Saludos, ons@ Rudolf sAppel
Fröhliche Weihnachten und ein glückliches neues Jahr.
Unsere globales Fruchtesser- dating ist aktiviert.
Frugilove ist exklusiv für frugivore lebende FruchtersserInnen FructarierInnen FruktarierInnen reseveriert und ein freier globaler Service vom Fruchtesser.
Liebe Fructarier, Ihr seid eingeladen, Euch in Eurer Muttersprache zu registrieren um Euere fructarischen Freundschaften und Partner zu finden. Wir sind noch am adaptieren für FruchtesserInnenbedürfnisse. Grüße ons@ rudolf sAppel
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: Dave Klein - Moderator (IP Logged)
Date: December 27, 2006 03:36PM
Superb! Please post this on our Singles & Community Connections forum. Go to Forum List to get there.
Dave
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: fruit eater (IP Logged)
Date: December 27, 2006 07:13PM
Dear Dave your links had a fruityful cyber-landing in Switzerland..
[www.urhorn.de]
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: Dave Klein - Moderator (IP Logged)
Date: December 28, 2006 01:27AM
Good! Do you know my friend Claudia? What is your name?
Dave
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: fruit eater (IP Logged)
Date: December 28, 2006 06:00AM
A fruitarian Claudia i do not know yet.
Is Claudia living in Spain?
Dave, you and me we did not met yet and my friends and me are known as fruitarian Pioneers in Europe.
I am ons@ fruiteater Ed Rudolf sAppel and i am living in my fruit-palace close to Alicante [www.Sol-Aire.es]
My friends are Balta Lorenzo close to Malaga, the fruitarian Mango Wozak (now in Australia), Kosotie in Sweden, Pelagus in Paris, Sandra Sader in Saudi Arabia, Cristina in Maastricht, Suvine in the States, only to name some important ones..
A lot of my friends come from Berlin and Bavaria, or Vegan-Central where i had been writing more then 1500 articles about the fruitarian live arround the world.
Actually i am preparing myself for an interview at the high-school Ernestinum Coburg in Germany and i am prparing myself to produce more fruitarian art and music.
Since 1995 i am writing about fruitarianism mostly in german and sometimes in English an Spanish.
Since some years i took care of my fruitarian friendships all over the world and mainly in Europe.
As i had been working as an action Artist since 1984 and as a fruitarian Actor, artist - musician - stuntman running barefoot all the time, many people know me from somewhere, without being able to remember them all, as i had been travelling arround the world some years ago.
It is a petty you and me did not meet yet - may be one day it will happen.
I do love the german work of Norbert Moch at the DVB- I would call him a friend.
Also i am involved with EVU- IVU- questions in my fruitarian dating forums..
Der Mensch ist angeblich kein Tier, gehört biologisch gesehen doch zur Familie der Säugetiere und ist von naturgemäß ein frugivore.
Wer als Mensch glaubt, intelligenter als ein Tier zu sein, nur weil er die Sprache der Tiere nicht versteht kann ja einmal versuchen, ober er ohne Vorkenntnisse chinesisch versteht....
Dies Buch wurde mir vom Vegetarier-Bund Deutschlands e.V. www.vegetarierbund.de freundlicherweise geliehen um es einzuscannen.
Das Buch plädiert für eine vegane Ernährung (Siehe insbesonde das Kapitel: Die vom lebenden Tiere stammenden Nahrungsmittel).
Der Begriff wurde aber erst ca. 50 Jahre geprägt. Die Rechtschreibung wurde absichtlich gelassen wie sie ist, um den ursprünglichen Charakter zu erhalten.
Wenn man den Menschen mit allen bekannten Säugetiergruppen der Welt vergleicht und sucht nun, wohin er nach seinem Körperbau gehört, so ist seine Zugehörigkeit zu den höheren Affen, den Anthropoiden, den Menschenaffen, keinem Zweifel unterworfen. Zu den Fleischfressern, den Carnivoren (Löwe, Wolf, Iltis usw.) kann er nicht gehören, zu den Allesfressern, den Omnivoren (Dachs, Schwein, Bär usw.) ebenfalls nicht. Aber auch die Krautfresser, die Herbivoren (Rind, Pferd, Schaf usw.) unterscheiden sich vergleichend-anatomisch ebenso ungeheuer vom Menschen wie die beiden vorher genannten großen Tiergruppen. Nun bleiben nur noch die Fruchtfresser, die Frugivoren übrig. Und da erst ruft die biologische Urheimat, der „Garten Eden", die tropische Fruchtfülle, in der des Menschen Wiege gestanden haben muß und wo er mit seinen niederen Verwandten die Erfüllung seiner Daseinsbedingungen fand. Der frugivore Menschenaffe ist dem Menschen nicht nur „ein Gelächter und eine schmerzliche Scham" (Nietzsche), sondern auch - ein lieber Blutsverwandter. Wenn noch einer trotz des Zeugnisses der anatomischen und paläologischen Fachwissenschaft (Cuvier, Haeckel, Roehrig, Steinmann, Huxley, Wiedersheim u. a.) an dieser Tatsache zweifelt, dann wird ihn vielleicht die Uhlenhutsche Blutprobe zum Schweigen bringen. Humanisiertes Kaninchenserum erzeugt nämlich die sogenannte Fällung-Reaktion im Menschenaffenblut wie im Menschenblut.
Das hochintelligente Gehirn-Tier Mensch vermochte sich aber nur den furchtbaren chronischen Katastrophen der Eiszeit anzupassen unter notgedrungenem Abweichen von seinen eigenen Lebensgesetzen. Dabei gewann dieses Geschöpf in harter Schule die ganze Welt. (Uraltes Wissen raunt: daß sich dann mit diesem Menschentier erst der Geistmensch, der lichte Sohn Gottes verband - in tiefem Fallen.)
Aber diese Welteroberung war doch auch wieder teuer bezahlt. Der Abweg aus der biologischen Urheimat, der frugivoren, in die „Fremde" des Omnivorismus (zum Treber fressenden Omnivoren Schwein) kostete den Menschen unter vielem anderen auch die Hälfte seines biologischen Alters. Das Alter eines Säugetieres ist zu errechnen, wenn man die Jahre bis zum vollendeten Wachstum mit der Zahl sieben multipliziert. Ein Pferd z. B. wächst drei Jahre; mal sieben macht einundzwanzig. Ein Hund wächst zwei Jahre; mal sieben macht vierzehn. Der Mensch wächst einundzwanzig Jahre; mal sieben macht 147 Jahre. Ein interessantes Kapitel, über das noch viel zu sagen wäre! Aber wir bewegen uns hier auf einem ausgesprochenen Grenzgebiet der Wissenschaft und flüchten uns daher schnell, um endlosen Fragen und Erörterungen auszuweichen, wieder in das Gebiet der unbestreitbaren, reinen Wissenschaft.
Wenn die frugivore Natur des Menschen feststeht, dann müssen sich bei Fleischzusatz zu der Mahlzeit, also bei omnivorer Ernährung klinisch und physiologisch auch heute wie jederzeit Nachteile feststellen lassen.
Nun, diese gesundheitlichen Nachteile sind tatsächlich festgestellt worden.
Nach Fleischgenuß wird eine Müdigkeit beobachtet, die bei fleischloser Kost fehlt.
Nach Fleischgenuß wird eine Temperaturerhöhung des Blutes beobachtet, die bei vegetarischer Kost fehlt.
Nach Fleischgenuß erfolgt eine Vermehrung der weißen Blutkörperchen (Leukozythose), die beim vegetarischen Kontroll-Falle fehlt.
Nach Fleischgenuß erhöht sich der Klebrigkeits- (Viskositäts-)Grad des Blutes, was bei ausreichender rein vegetarischer Kost nicht der Fall ist.
Nach Fleischgenuß vermindert sich dieAlkalität des Blutes, während sie bei der vegetarischen Kontroll-Mahlzeit sich nicht vermindert.
Diese Feststellungen stammen von einem bekannten und sehr angesehenen Schweizer Kliniker (Prof. Dr. Staehlin) und fanden sich (wenig beachtet!) in der maßgebenden medizinischen deutschen Fach-Presse.
Sehr interessant ist es nun, festzustellen, daß wir hier, in diesen fünf Symptomen (Müdigkeit, Temperatur-Erhöhung, Leukozythose, Viskosität, Alkalitäts-Verminderung) fast genau und in allen wesentlichen Zügen die natürliche Abwehr-Reaktion des menschlichen Organismus wiederfinden, die auf Einbruch einer feindlichen Macht (Infektion, Fremdkörper usw.) regelmäßig zu erfolgen pflegt.
Darum ist auch der Analogieschluß durchaus berechtigt, daß der tote Tierkörper als Nahrung des Menschen „Fremdstoff" ist, eben eine unnatürliche Belastung, gegen die unser Körper sich wehrt und die er nur unter Krafteinbuße verarbeitet oder abwirft.
Wenn aber unser Schluß zutreffend ist, dann müßte die Krafteinbuße auch im Leben nachweisbar sein und bei streng wissenschaftlich experimentellen Vergleichen der Leistungen von Vegetariern und Gemischt-Essern sich herausstellen.
Nun, diese Versuche sind längst angestellt worden und beweisen tatsächlich die Überlegenheit der Vegetarier, oder, um es deutlicher zu sagen: die Krafteinbuße unter Gemischt-Kost.
Wir nennen nur die Versuche des Univ. Prof. Irving Fisher (Yale Universität), die Ergograph-Versuche von Joteyko (Brüssel), die Erfahrungen von Prof. Baeltz mit Japan. Rikschah-Leuten*).
Daß dabei auch das geringere Eiweißmaß der üblichen veget. Ernährung eine Rolle spielt, beweisen die bekannten Versuche von Prof. Chittenden.
Daß mit allem bisher Gesagten auch die sehr eindeutigen Ergebnisse der großen deutschen Dauer-Wettmärsche übereinstimmen und die ganz ungewöhnlichen Marschleistungen der vegetarisch (und sehr eiweißarm!) lebenden arabischen Soldaten der ägyptischen Armee**), nimmt keinen besser Unterrichteten mehr wunder.
Prägen wir uns noch einmal ein, daß die in der physiologischen, minutiösen Beobachtung ablesbaren Erscheinungen nach einer Gemischt-Kost-Mahlzeit durchaus das Bild einer leichten Vergiftung andeuten (zumal bei dem dabei üblichen höheren Eiweiß-Maß) und daß wir den Organismus in einer Abwehr-Reaktion sehen, wie beim Einbruch eines Krankheitserregers in Blut- und Lymph-Bahnen (Müdigkeit, Temperatursteigerung, Erhöhung der Leukozythenzahl, Anstieg der Säurewerte, Zunahme des Klebrigkeitsgrades des Blutes).
Es ist klar, daß beim gewöhnlichen Gemischtesser in diesen Entgiftungsbemühungen des Organismus gewisse Kraftreserven ständig eingesetzt, beschlagnahmt, gebunden sind.
Spart nun aber ein Mensch bei vegetarischer Kost diese für Abwehr-Mehrarbeit aufgewandten Reservekräfte, so muß die Wirkung in einer Zunahme der biologischen Wertigkeit des Organismus zutage treten. Und diese müßte sich in erster Linie in einer gewissen Hebung der Seuchenfestigkeit beweisen***).
Auch das scheint durchaus zuzutreffen, wenn auch bis heute noch wenig exakt wissenschaftliche Beobachtungen vorliegen.
Im Jahre 1912 erzählte mir der bekannte und tüchtige Arzt Dr. Winsch, daß die Diphtherie-Epidemien Berlins vor dem sog. Zellerhaus, in dem arme Trinkerkinder vegetarisch erzogen werden, Halt machten. Es kam trotz der gleichen Ansteckungsmöglichkeit dieser Kinder (in den Volksschulen) zu gar keiner Erkrankung oder zu ganz leichten sog. ambulanten Fällen.
Dasselbe kann ich von meinen eigenen Kindern berichten. Im Jahre 1918 behandelte ich sehr schwere Diphtherie-Fälle (1 Todesfall) und beobachtete mit dem Mißtrauen und der Genauigkeit des Vaters und Arztes meine vier kleinen Kinder (von 2 bis 8 Jahren). Als ich nach einiger Zeit ein gewisses Nachlassen der Munterkeit zu bemerken glaubte und bei zweien geringe Drüsenschwellungen am Halse und hauchförmige Trübungen der leicht vergrößerten Mandeln feststellen konnte, machte ich bakteriologische Abstriche und sandte sie dem Frankfurter Laboratorium ein. Umgehend kam die Nachricht: „Diphtherie-Bazillen festgestellt!" Die Kinder waren also mit Diphtherie angesteckt.
Sie waren aber kaum im Bett zu halten. Sie machten ihre „Diphtherie" mehr außerhalb des Bettes und buchstäblich „spielend" durch. Die zwei nichtisolierten anderen blieben ständig außer Bett, waren sicher „Bazillenträger" ohne Erkrankung. Es waren eben streng vegetarisch ernährte Kinder. (Sauermilch dabei und selten ein Ei).
Höchstwahrscheinlich hat auch der Krebs eine ursächliche Komponente im Eiweiß-Luxus-Konsum und den Kadaver-Stoffen der üblichen Gemsicht-Kost. Als ich in den Jahren 1903 bis 1905 in Ostasien chinesische und europäische Hospitäler besuchte, fiel mir immer die Seltenheit der Krebsfälle in Kuli-Hospitälern und eine Häufigkeit in Europäer-Hospitälern auf, in denen auch reiche Chinesen lagen. Der chinesische Kuli ist fast reiner Vegetarier (Reisesser) und lebt sehr eiweißarm.
Die seitherigen Darlegungen sollen uns Folgendes deutlich machen:
1. Die einfache vegetarische Lebensweise ist eine Art Rückkehr zu den ursprünglichen Daseinsbedingungen des Menschen.
2. Diese Rückkehr wirkt in mehrfacher Weise günstig auf den Menschen:
a) Sie steigert seine Arbeitsleistung, besonders aber Dauer-Leistungen.
b) Sie verleiht offenbar auch eine erhöhte Seuchenfestigkeit.
Ich hörte einmal einen älteren Arzt, den ich zu überzeugen vermochte, nachdenklich sagen:
Die Ärzte würden eine schwere wirtschaftliche Schädigung erfahren, wenn alle Menschen Vegetarier würden.
Aber die Ärzte mögen sich beruhigen.
Es gibt nichts Konservativeres, Schwerfälligeres wie Masse Mensch in ihren Ernährungs-Gewohnheiten und keinen größeren Tyrannen als die Zunge.
Es werden immer nur viele Einzelne aller Völker, Rassen und Klassen eine Minderheit von biologisch heimatbewußten Menschen bilden. Ob es die „Besten" sind, wer mag das sagen? Jedenfalls: instinktsichere Rückwanderer nach einem Gebiet bewußteren Menschentums hin sind diese Wenigen.
Plato hat aber ganz recht: Der Vegetarismus wird kaum jemals die Ernährungsform der Masse werden.
*) Diese und alle weiter angeführten Versuche finden sich an anderer Stelle in den Dok. des Veg. genauer dargestellt.
**) Prof. Grober, Jena: Hygienische und ärztliche Beobachtungen im Belad el Djerid (Süd-Tunis).
***) Wir müssen uns aber immer vor Augen halten, daß „vegetarische Kost" nicht nur durch Abwesenheit von Stoffen des getöteten Tieres (Fleisch, Blut, Eingeweide, Fett und Fleischbrühe) sich ausdrückt, sondern auch in instinktiver möglichster Meidung von Weißmehl, Hülsenfruchtkern, Eiern, Weißzucker und in Alkohol-Enthaltsamkeit. Auch wird Vieles roh verzehrt (Vitamin-Reichtum) oder gedämpft statt gekocht (Nährsalz-Bewahrung). Diese fließenden Grenzen zwischen streng veget. Kost und bloßer Fleischmeidung machen natürlich eine exakte wissenschaftliche Auseinanderhaltung des Schädigungs-Anteils
1. des Fleisches
2. des Eiweiß-Luxus-Konsums
3. der Vitamin-Zerstörung
4. der Entmineralisierung etwas schwierig, mindern aber n i c h t die strikte Gültigkeit der Staehelinschen Resultate, von denen unsere Darlegungen ausgehen.
Eduard Balzer hat 1867 den ersten deutschen vegetarischen Verein gegründet und den Menschen als frugivore, sprich als ursprünglicher Fruchtesser beschrieben, nicht nur Gott Adam und Eva in der Bibel oder in den Veden.
In 1867 Eduard Baltzer, from Leipzig, founded the Deutsche Verein für natürliche Lebensweise (German Natural Living Society) - as far as we know this was the first society in Germany to promote vegetarianism...
[www.ivu.org]
Arnold Ehret, Dr. Bernarr, bis A. Wang,
...aber bitte ohne Tierische Produkte:
Geheimtip für werdende Fruktarier aus dem Naturanverlag, wenn man in der Lage ist die Thema verfehlten Rezepte wegzulassen.
A. Wang schrieb fruktarier freundlich, doch naturan kommt nicht ganz ran: Leben ohne Pflanzen oder Tiere zu töten..
Check mal die fructarischen Links in unseren Fruchtesserforen durch, vielleicht bekommst Du ja Pelagus weich, Dich mit Früchten zu füttern..
[www.pelagus.net]
[www.livingnutrition.com]
• Your Natural Diet: Alive Raw
Foods
(Dr. T. C. Fry & David Klein)
• Dictionary of Natural Foods
(Dr. William Esser)
• Food Combining Made Easy
(Dr. Herbert M. Shelton)
• Fruit the Food & Medicine
for Man
(Morris Krok)
• Fruit: The Ultimate Diet
(Rejean Durette)
• Grain Damage
(Dr. Douglas N. Graham)
• I Live on Fruit
(Essie Honiball)
• On Nutrition & Physical
Performance
(Dr. Douglas Graham)
• Raw Food Pearmid + Food
Combining Poster
(David Klein)
• Superior Nutrition
(Dr. M. Herbert Shelton)
• The China Study
(T. Colin Campbell, Ph.D.)
• The Great Fruitarian Debate!
(T. C. Fry)
• The Salt Conspiracy
(Victoria Bidwell)
• The Science & Fine Art
of Food & Nutrition
(Dr. Shelton)
RAW FOOD RECIPE GUIDES
• Fresh Vegetable and Fruit
Juices (Dr. Norman Walker)
• Living Nutrition\'s Favorite
Alive Raw Food Recipes
• The Garden of Eden Recipes
(Phyllis Avery)
• The High Energy Diet Recipe Guide (Dr. Douglas Graham)
Link
[www.fruitarian.com]
[www.fruitarian.com]
[www.rawfood.com]
EVU
[www.european-vegetarian.org]
[216.239.59.104]
IVU
[www.ivu.org]
Außerdem.., selbst, wenn Adolf ein Vegetarier gewesen wäre, über die er ebenfalls herrschen wollte, hätte sich der Vegetarierbund 1935 kaum aus Protest aufgelöst.
In Germany some had been talking about a bad man..
I sayed:
Hitler, war so egozentrisch, daß er den Vegetarismus wie das Ei des Columbus behandelte.
Hitler was so selfish that he had been treating Cegetarism like the egg of Columbus..
2006-07-04 18:48:40 in Fructarierdefinitionen aus erster Hand ( matrix )
Der Internationale Vegetarierbund mit der vegetarischen Geschichte nach Adam und Eva:
[www.ivu.org]
veranstaltet 1-2 jährlich in unterschiedlichen Ländern internationale Vegetarierkongresse:
2006 wird sich in Goa getroffen:
September ist es so weit.
Vielleicht bin ich auch da?..
Das ist noch nicht klar.
[www.ivu.org]
Vegetarian congress 2008 in Dresden
2008 kommt historisch Dresden an die Reihe.
Wir erinnern uns an / remember 1908.
[www.ivu.org]
Der argentinische Vegetarierbund akzeptiert und schließt alle vegetarischen Wurzeln mit ein.
frugivorous, fruitarian, fructarier..Fruchtesser..fruiteater
Info: Rudolf Sappel
Noticias de la Unión Vegetariana Argentina (UVA)La Unión Vegetariana Argentina engloba y acepta todas las ramas del vegetarianismo (ovo-lacto-vegetariano-vegano-frugívoro),
[www.uva.org.ar]
[www.uva.org.ar]
[www.uva.org.ar]
Vegetarier-Bund Deutschlands e.V
[www.ivu.org]
Dank Eduard Baltzer, 1814-1887
_________________
Verfasst am: 14.08.2006, 12:46 Titel: EVU
francais:
[www.vegetarismus.ch]
[www.ivu.org]
[www.vegetarisme.org]
Fruitarian links
[www.frugivoro.com]
[www.fruitarian.com]
[www.fruitarian.de]
[www.fruitarian.net]
[www.fruitnut.net]
[www.livingnutrition.com]
[www.livingnutrition.com]
[www.pelagus.net]
[hem.fyristorg.com]
...
Who am I? Do you remember?
hello, my name is Rudolf Sappel @ the fruiteater and i restarted to get fruitarian 1962 until 1967 later i tryed it again 1991 and went on fruitarian since that days.
The main thing for me is not to drink water with the fruits while i am eating The water comes much later minimum 20 minutes after the meal.
With dried fruit it is different, IF you eat them dry it may be a dessert in your body. You can prevent that with drinking a little bit of water and chew it with the fruit to preventing you from a dusty or powder-mouth. .
It is right, that cooked fruitarism is a very easy way, but meanwhile it is much easier, not to cook, as i am only eating fruits ans very very view grains.
Since years my weight is the same and to make it realy intersting i went to get a extremsport caveman, of course barefoot.
You may contact me to any time in my own inter-european fruitarian-art forum and you are very welcome to make new fruitarian friends.
You may read my fruit-articles in the vegan animalprotection site in German an also with one little english thread.
my Fruitarian articles i had been writing as Fruchtesser (fruiteater) in Germany
Impressum:
[www.vegan-central.de]
Over 1500 fruitarian articles in German:
[vegan-central.de]
[vegan-central.de]
[www.FrugiLove.com] ..new..
Frugivore Frugivorous fruitarian news:
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Fruchtesser-Kunst Fruitarian Art
[www.fruchtesser.de]
[www.fruitarian.de] English
[www.fruchtesser.de] German
[www.fructarier.net]
still i have the first original spanish Fruitarian pages.
[www.frugivoro.es] Spanish ..noch gibt es die Seite.
[www.frugivora.es] ..noch gibt es sie..
Fruitarian - Forums:
Vegan-central:
[www.vegan-central.de]
Also i am moderating the new site about the frugivore-vegan (shortcuts frugi-vegan (frugan) lifestyle..that still uses some cooked cereals (interesting for cooking vegans who want to get rid of cooking, trying to live non violent frugan, a fruitarian child)
Our first global exclusive fruitarian dating site in 31 languages is activated.
FrugiLove is reserved only for fruitarians and a fee free global service from the european fruitarian network.
Find your fruitarian friends and letīs stick together.
Beloved fruitarians, you are invited to get registered in your own language to find your fruitarian friend- and relationships. We are still adapting the simple program for fruitarian needs.
Feliz Navidad frugivor@ y una buena noche vieja. Nuestra programa busca pareja Frugivor@ global esta activado. Frugilove ayuda frugivor@s solit@s.
La primera pagina frugivor@ busca pareja frugivor@ mundial es un servicio gratuito de la red frugivor@.
Querido frugivor@s estais invitad@s a registrar se en Espaņol para encontrar vuestros amistades y parejas frugivor@s. Esta información la puedes reenviar a todas l@s frugivor@s que creas le puede interesar. Todavia estamos adaptandola programa para los necesidades frugivor@s
Saludos, ons@ Rudolf sAppel
Fröhliche Weihnachten und ein glückliches neues Jahr.
Unsere globales Fruchtesser- dating ist aktiviert.
Frugilove ist exklusiv für frugivore lebende FruchtersserInnen FructarierInnen FruktarierInnen reseveriert und ein freier globaler Service vom Fruchtesser.
Liebe Fructarier, Ihr seid eingeladen, Euch in Eurer Muttersprache zu registrieren um Euere fructarischen Freundschaften und Partner zu finden. Wir sind noch am adaptieren für FruchtesserInnenbedürfnisse. Grüße ons@ rudolf sAppel
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Mr Donald Watson passed away at the 16. November 2005.
With the words of the vegan Pioneer Donald Watson in my mind i had been defending the fruitarian Ahimsa non violence principles against non fruitarian interpretations:
Rudolf Sappel, Sol-Aire -03569 Aigües / Alicante -SPAIN
Aigües, 16. November 2006
To the Directors
Dear Fruitarian friends,
today i had been reading a uneasy statement, that may lead to global fruitarian confusion..
who wants to manifest that sprouted seeds shall be fruits, may be by mistake!?..
I am sorry, as real fruitarian i can not eat growing embryos of plants, only ripe plancentas of plants, called fruit, that came out of a flower with seeds.
My experienced opinion about the most ethical non-violent fruitarian human diet on our planet is:
A refined fruitarian cannot devine sprout-meals as fruitarian food, neither we can change the fruitarian definitions of the Ahimsa Principle about non-violence and Karma against our basical fruitarian principles.
Of course i noticed, that a growing number of fruitarian volunteers begin to eat sprouts, since some writers had been defining our fruitarian ortodox philosophy with opposing interpretations.
Please take note that a large number of fruitarians feel corrupted with such a surreal claim, as we fruitarians only eat fruits no growing sprouts.
To eat sprouts is violence against growing plants.
We do not want to mess up with the ethical principles of plant rights.
Today i had a meeting with one of the most advanced fruitarians in Europe / Australia, Mango Wodzak.
We agreed, that fruitarian-untypical practice sounds very strange to a pure fruitarian, who is only eating fruits of the season.
Fruitarian regards, Fruitarian experiences, Rudolf sAppel ons @ fruitarian friends.
The fruitarian diet consists of RAW fruit and much less seeds ONLY!
[www.fruitarian.com]
Examples of fruits are: Pineapple, mango, banana, avocado, apple, melon, orange, etc., all kinds of berries, and the vegetable fruits such as tomato, cucumber, olives; and dried fruits such as nuts, hazelnuts, cashews, chestnuts, etc..and seeds
One said, fruitarian diet:
includes sprouted seeds..??? No way!
....that is an untenable Argument and not correct.
instead it should be underlined:
non violent 100% fruitarians are respecting the Ahima principal, eating the ripe fruits of the season only.
Some fruitarians do eat ripe mushrooms nad naturally passed away plant fibers, cleaning there mouth with dried fibersticks out of herbs, as passed fennel inculding the ripe fennel seeds. f.e.
A fruit is the second hand plancenta of a plant, what had been coming out of a flower, excluding growing leafs, roots, sprouted seeds.
Pure fruitarians also have problems to eat cereals, specially in big ammounts, even when they can do it in small cuantities.
My part of the work is, to conserve the destilled highest level of fruitarian knowledge, fruitarian philosophy and understanding, respecting the non violent fruitarian principles.
Some raw foodists in Germany had been interpretating the fruitarian alimentation wrong, spreading non fruitarian books with as "fruitarian-definition-delarations and recepies" into the raw-food movement.
Fruitarians had been suffering from the wrong interpretation of the furitarian essence, as some infiltrated food victims tried to make cheap mixup business out of fruitarian couriosity.
I am not bothered about that anymore, as i know what i am doing. I think i am getting hungry, and may have a Kaki..
fruitarian regards to you.
ons @ sAppel ..Fruitarians in Europe love to eat fruit of the season..
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: fruitarianone (IP Logged)
Date: December 28, 2006 08:55AM
Oh no....judging by the bottom of this post....."Fruitarianism" is going the same way as hardline Veganism.....which is very sad....That was the one thing that made Fruitarianisim so great...the openess of it all.....but now I see that there's the ethical police are every where....
We don't own "fruitarianism" because it's nature!!!
And none of you guys has the right to dictate how a "Fruitarian" lives, yes of course your entitled to your own opinion but at the same time you have no right to speak for me as a "Fruitarian" and how I'm supposed to eat!!
And what's all this "the most advanced "Fruitarian" stuff????
I don't mean to sound rude but man....
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: Dave Klein - Moderator (IP Logged)
Date: December 28, 2006 10:23AM
Hiya Fruit Lover,
There is much to learn. I don't know how it's possible to eat only in-season local fruit and stay healthy and energetic in non-tropical regions, but I wan to learn. What local in-season fruits do European and Candadian and Russian fruitarians eat from November through April? Are there enough persimmons and citrus fruits to do it? You would not eat apples and dates which were stored in refrigeration or dried and bagged dates and raisins? Or fruit from Morocco imported by Orkos?
Since our natural habitat is the warm tropics and since I have seen many eaters of 75-95% fruits in the cold United States thrive on fruits from the tropics year-round, I don't think it's healthy to place the philosophy above the moderne reality that we need tropical, non-indigenous fruits year round. I never eat for philosphical reaons; I eat to satisfy my intinctual needs for healthy sustenance, and I go for the best available produce. Bananas and dates don't grow here in northern California. There are 10 healthfood stores near me with organic bananas. Should I not buy them? It's 30 oF outside now. I need fuel! : ) I eat simply and feel vibrantly euphoric when I am rested and not working too hard. I think I know what "fruitaian essence" is all about. Eating green leaves and some nuts does not pervert me.
I'm with FruitarianOne: no web site advice makes rules for me; my senses set the course and I live free of philosphical dogma. Does that not make sense? I'd like to hear about and see pictufres of fruitartians who follow the "rules." Let's see if the 100% in-season fruitarian gospel is healthful.
Dave
Living Nutrition Magazine
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: countrygirl (IP Logged)
Date: December 28, 2006 11:23AM
I am also frustrated by how things get so militarized. I for one love the idea of trusting my body to choose what it wants; regardless of the season. In this day and age when we can get almost anything at the market or from the tree, whichever is most available, it seems realistic to think the body can answer the call. When we started on the earth, it was that way, why wouldn't it be that way now? I love variety. I also believe in free-agency. If I choose to eat a salad or some wild greens, that's ok, but if not, then ok. Love to all, freedom too. Much hugs, Peggy
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: fruit eater (IP Logged)
Date: December 28, 2006 12:59PM
Dear f 1 the fruitarian definitions are elder than you and me together. It was not up to me to define new fruitarian philosophy as i am sticking to the facts of nonviolence terms.
If somebody does not want to be a fruitarian, then he may stay a common raw foodist, or a vegan, or vegetarian meateaters.. so whats the difference inbetween the different habits and what are thy doing to others..
Of course there are little differences, otherwise the word vegan would not have been created 1946 after the 2. world war by Donald Watson, without beeing an ethical police.. he wanted to save the vegetarian idea, because some guys called themselves vegetarians when they had been eating eggs, fish meat, milkproducts, just a bit more vegetables..
Fruitarianism is quite etical for a lot of fruitarians..
..actually it had cultural and ethical reasons, that word had to be created..
The word vegetarian had been translated as fruiteater and fruitfriend in the early days..
I know from now on even more: Word do mean nothing at all. I just wonder why we are talking so much about everything.
Neigther i want to be rude.
One of the reasons why fruitarians are getting more is, that tey do not want to harm other lifes, and lots of them are trying not to destroy our planet.
Some of them just wnat to live naked inbetween nature in a wild jungle eating their fruits..for this or others reasons they try to turn back back to the roots.
Humans never judge, what they do wrong at their own.
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We guys just are 100% fruitarians and we are living fruitarian, even if that sounds rude.
I love the furitarian Idea of non violent behaviour. That was actually the reason i became to live like that.
If the people begin to disgust about names is not in my interst. The fruitarian association decides from now on that fruitarians are eating roots, thats indeed rude for a sensible fruitarian.
Neither I want to argue with you about your lifestyle. I thought, that you are a fruitarian, in the meaning of my fruitarian understanding, as it is also written on the frontpage of [fruitarian.com]
The fruitarian site says first of all:
"Welcome to the Fruitarian site, the international meeting point for people who love to eat fruit. We eat raw fruit only…and we feel GREAT !!!! "
For that reason i will stay a fruitarian, because i love it that way.
Further they write:
"This site will be sponsored by " The International Fruitarian Foundation", a non profit organization, to welcome, support, connect and defend the interests of all fruitarians around the world, to promote the style of life of living on fruit only. You will be able to learn about nutrition, fruit, seeds, fruit trees, and the environment for a better life…"
..that sounds so beautiful, until the buttom with the sprouts consuming appears, that might turn a lot of fruitarians off, as it did in my and other cases.
When some clever guys change the meaning of the fruitarian meaning of life, or some guys call themselves still fruitarians eating unnecessary raw meat, then it gets pretty uncool and a lot of fruitarians feel turned off, if the fruitarian definition does not mean anything anymore, then a hollow phrase.
May everybody do what he want to
I feel sorry if your fruitarian heaven got some cracks, but i cannot it, i have to stay honest in any case.
...And none of you guys has the right to dictate how a "Fruitarian" lives, yes of course your entitled to your own opinion but at the same time you have no right to speak for me as a "Fruitarian" and how I'm supposed to eat!!
Man calm down and do not freak out, please.. you may eat what you want..
I did not want to hurt you.
If i would have sayed what i sayed to A.E. or Mr Balzer they would have been glad, as i sayed it.
Why are you getting mad about other fruitarians?
The fruitarian foundation sayes also:
that they "....defend the interests of all fruitarians around the world, to promote the style of life of living on īFRUIT ONLYī."
Isnīt that what i sayed? so.. Whatīs wrong, so long..?..
How do you expect me to find a fruitarian friend in Mc Donut with soft drink?
..i am talking only for myself respecting the fruitarian definitions of nature and the improoved fruitarians, they had been supporting me in a hard time of fruitarian lonelyness.
It seems that we living on a wolrd, where everybody can say everything, just for fun, without being consequent at all.
Fruitarianism had not been my invention.
Fruitarianism is my personal human investigation.
I am happy that i found like-minded fruitarians, because they found fruitarianism completely at their own at different places on this planet without knowing eachothers..
Life brought us together and i cannot argue with you about fruitarianism.
There is nothing to argue about, as the word fruitarianism comes from FRUIT.
The world has his definition and his meaning, and i am using it as it is defined including the fruitarian meaning of life.
Fruitariansim is a word to explain a sepcified development of Evolution and i did not say how you have to live and what you have to eat or to do..
How could I? You had been invited to go caving with me, or climb on a mountain. some while ago...so what?
I just love the non violence Idea and the fruitarian Philosophy i had been studying fruitarianism about 40 years by now for all reasons i know and i am enjoying it the same as all my fruitarian friends.. and i do not have anything against raw foodists, as they made me think deeper..
Also I am the gladest fruitarian, because fruitarianism exists.
To be fruitarian is not just a hollow fashion word for me, as it applies the non-violence Ahimsa principle in the very best human way.
I do not judge furitarian volunteers who are trying their best. I think it is a question of tolerance.
fruitarian.com showes it
with the different fruitarian categories: ...quite impressive!
"Vegetarian (lacto, Ovo)"
....everybody starts somewhere..
"4-Vegan (no dairy products)"
Vegans love animals - so they try not to harm animals.
"-100% Raw Foodist (Fruit and raw vegetables)"
...raw foodists go ahead..they love health and much more, so they eat raw for their reasons...
"-100% Fruitarian (Fruit only)"
fruitarians eat: (Fruit only) for their human reasons..
"9-... special nutrition system not specified ..."
what ever that means, they might be breatharians for their reasons...
Hopefully fruitarians have not to hide, as they try to live their lives as best as possible, without thinking that they might be better than others..
Please do not put me wrong.
If a fruitarian guy wants to live together with a ovo-lacro-vegetarian, that must be love.
May be i am not advanced enough to reach that level of love.
I do love animals as dogs and cats, cows, elefants, apes ect. and i realized that they eat different.
just try not to get confused about other food- or life- habits... come on..
I am not able to get a different animal as i am allready.
With all my effort and love i cannot transform that way, as i will stay a human all the rest of my life.
Even if i would try to live like a dog or a cat i would not be able to be such animal.
As a fruitarian i try to find likeminded people, that means other fruitarians who are speaking the same language as i do. The secret of integration is the right definition, otherwise people should not define anything and it would not be necessary to call themselfes fruitarians.
I agree with you..
We don't own "fruitarianism" because it's also my nature..
Bravo thank you so much!.. i am glad again.
Trying to be a fruitarian but still eats cooked food once in a while...
...are represented with frugan fruitarians and they eat mostly raw and cook the untypical fruitarian graineating, as some say that grains may be the food of birds, as wandmaker did. anyhow eating bigger quantyties of mostly cooked grains with raw fruits is called frugan, because frugan guys do not hurt anybody, as they do not eat roots, nor sprouts, not leafs, but they might cook their grains and even fruits as long they like ande untiö their food turned to carbon. It is up to them and they are less violent than vegans, as some fruitarians are engaged with anmial-rights, earth-rights, plant-rights and human rights, because they do not want to harm life. they do not want to be violent against our beautiful planet in any case, even when they know, that nowadays it is getting mor and more difficult for all of us.
I love Nature too: For that reason i do not eat growing living nature but living fruits.
Otherwise the furitarian founders and great man should not have preached about non violence tolerance and all those beautiful words, that make us feel better. thousands of years ago it was known that frugivorous humans had been eating fruits only.
The coala bear is different he only eats eucalyptus leafs, and annother is surviving with eating Bamboo..that their business and needy, as they know their lifes better than mine.
I will continue to eat fruits and you should not feel judged, as it was not my intension as you can hopefully see.
Stay sharp man..an relax again..
The world is mad enough, what shall we get mad about?
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: fruitarianone (IP Logged)
Date: December 28, 2006 01:52PM
In no way did I mean to offend you because your thing is your thing....
As far as I'm concerned Fruitarianism is nature...nobody has the right to dictate what anybody eats...if you have any ethical reasons for going Fruitarian then that's cool but that should stay as your personal choice.....or maybe a group for other ethical Fruitarians should be set up....
If ethical Fruitarians are going to start to judge other Fruitarians that do not share the same ethical views as not being true fruitarians or start making rules that makes regular Fruitarians "less" fruitarian then that's not good....Fruitarianism is just too personal to each individual to be owned by a collective and to get too specific as to what a Fruitarian eats can be seen as dictating...this is exactly the same thing that happens in Veganism, I've seen so many debates and arguments because ethical vegans attack non-ethical vegans for not being vegan enough....
I ran a fruitarian forum for two years and I've come across many ethical Fruitarians and Vegans and they all seem to have a seperatist attitude and cannot seem to live and let live....
I'm a strict Fruitarian but that's my personal thing, if someone is less strict I have no right to deem them as any "less" Fruitarian....or to comment on how they should be living.
That's just my personal view and I too don't want to argue or debate.
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: fruit eater (IP Logged)
Date: December 28, 2006 04:18PM
Dear Dave, i agree with you that in Russia or other cold countries it is more difficult to survive on a fruitarian diet, even if it is still possible for ascetic fruitarians at some places.
When i had been living in Germany we had a huge garden full of fruit-trees. They began to give Fruit from June until Winter.
We had plums, cherries and all kind of fruit-berries.
The winter-apples as we call them in Germany are also called leather-apples because they look a bit like leather.
These apples are getting ripe very late so we could eat apples until April, without running out of fruits.
Of course we had some nuts over the cold winter and the pears. Also we ate rolled oats mixed with water fresh apple later with lemon (much later with milk and sugar) when i had been a child. I was running all day long into the forest, picking the first forest-stawberries, and all those berries you know from the european forests. We had mushrooms and some people still dry them for the cold winter. In Germany we had to build a foodbridge over a period of 5-6 month. I did not say it was easy, but it worked.
I never had been ill that time. The bad fruit quality came much later about 25 yerars ago, when nearly nobody wanted to take care about his own food anymore.
The modern society had a high price, nobody can afford..
I also remember when my mother began to buy the first time of my life sugar, because we did not have any before, as we had been living from the countryside.
When i had been 5 years old, i was forced to eat carrots, cooked food and meat..letīs say the common foodfashion of that time.
A normal famrer who had been growing animlas to sell them, had his own home -slaughter-place and the vetenarians came to checked the slaughtered animals for deseases.
The home-slaughtering had been very common in Bavaria and our neighbours had about one time meet during the week.
That was only possible because nearly everybody had been buying a deep-freezer..
When i had been a little boy the Goverment had been building a huge Nuclear powerstation about 15-20 kmīs far from our house and i could see it myself, that something changed in nature.
The beautifull berries and flowers dissapeared, other plants began to gr
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That was only possible because nearly everybody had been buying a deep-freezer..
When i had been a little boy the Goverment had been building a huge Nuclear powerstation about 15-20 kmīs far from our house and i could see it myself, that something changed in nature.
The beautifull berries and flowers dissapeared, other plants began to grow, and the whole smell changed with the change of society.
That was the main reason i moved away. Now the second wave is reaching me in Spain with corruption, monoculture caused dessetation- urbanisation-scandals and the waterbusiness..
Our fruitarian problem in Europe is not the nature but human behaviour.
The fungizdes / pestizides used on agricultural monocultures are killing billions of important microorganisms insekts, birds, so the Vitamin B12 desease had been defined.
Companies are fighting patents for all kind of healing plants and old berries. In Spain it is officialy forbidden to pick wild herbs allready, because the hunters and meateaters are very powerful that they want the herbs for the goats and the hunted animals.
About the forbidden herbpicking in Spain i am not bothered, but i can see the same global effect with the human climate-change provocation.
Before industrialisation the world had been in a better health state and i can understand your compromise to import fruits from other countries..
The slip-side of the Califonia-food-coin is, that nearly all almond trees in Spain had been killed with subvention politics. If you could see the place as it was when i was a boy and nowadys you would understand about my critical point of few. The spanish almonds had been the very best i know and the farmers had been paid about 50 cents $ for one Kilo cleaned pealed almonds. On top of it the Tomatomono-culturizing farmes had been pumping the water away until the hot springs died out..
fruitarian Art: (c) sAppel
The waterproblem we have got here came from the water pumpstations making money with monocultures.
40 Years ago a fruitarian could even survive in cold Germany with the fruits of the season.
Today the fruits down from the trees and foul away, because nearly nobody wants them anymore, exept some few nature-friends.
The mainstream of our society is buying imported monocultural normed fruit, without taste..
I was astonished some days ago, when i got a e-mail of the fruitarian Suvine from the States who made some holidays in Paris, to tell me, that the fruits in Paris are much better then in the US..
That was an intersting point.
You wonīt believe how good the european fruits can be sometimes..
The biological food grown in Germany is also quite developed and you can get the most delicious fruit-quality in some ecological farms or shops.
The problem with that is, that only rich people can afford to buy the very expensive biological fruits..
Years before we had a huge amount of berries in Germany and in the winter we could survive with apples pears pumpkin, dried fruit as blueberries, mushrooms nuts.
We had some 3 month of hard surviving time in Springtime, when the stored winter-fruits had been running out slowly.
I still remember my childhood times when i had been running to the "apple-room" trying to find the best fruits.
It was delicious and enough for me.
My first avocado i had been eating, when i had been 21 years old, before nobody new about avocados in Germany.
The tropical fruit had been bumping on the European market, when the the planes got more.
Before..
We had an exteemly high variety of different apples and plums, nuts, and berries to feed us all. I would have to take out the dictionary to list them all.
That is long ago and some young people try to organize themselfes to bring that damaged fruit-culture back.
The food toxifications, the GEN-fruit and mainly greedy bad politics had been very destrucitve to our european fruit-culture, so nearly nobody can imagine anymore to eat grapes from the own garden in Germany..
I can see the same supermarket-effect in Spain, which was the European Paradise 100 years ago. We had waterfalls in the moutains and subtropical microclimate zones, as i could see with my own eyes during cave expeditions. Old people still are talking about our hot healing springs.
You are right about the difficulties to survive in that modern time.
Also i agree, that it is better to import the fruit, than to chop the trees down to plant soy beans.
Also i have to say, that during my personal fruitarian investigations i got various pestizide toxifications, as the ecological fruits are very seldom in Spain whre i am living.
Just some days ago i heard about a biological fruit-farm and thats brilliant, as i am not able to produce all i need in my own garden anymore.
I do have some lemon trees, figs, carob- nispero- small orange-, olive- and cumquats-trees and one last surviving almond tree.
Good luck that i had been able to eat some figs over nearly 3 month. The rest i have to plant and to buy..
The place where i am living was a agricultural hot spring Paradise place and today a growing town with highways is moving towards me..
Indeed there is also much to learn for me, how to survive in a life hating world.
I am trying to survive and the only biological food i am eating is from my own garden.
Of course the waterprice went up high, and the fruits of the market are much cheaper..the hybrid- Gen- and poisoned plants are dangerous for our health..
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Sometimes the customers can see the poison on the fruits. Here in Spain the Chemical-companies are quite strong with their killing products as you can see on the red pepper.
Te blue-green dark dried drop is pure poison..
You are right again, that it is difficult to survive as a healthy fruitarian in Russia, Spain, Germany or in other industrial contamined countries, as Spain or any other industial contamined country.
Every year over 20000 humans die in the cotton industrie and over 3000000 get serious pestizide toxifications on the cotton-fields.
Some days ago we had some news, that a GEN- manipulated corn came on the market and who had been eating it went deadly ill with some sort of spontanious cancer after 24 hours..
That is also the reality and my fruitarian friend Mango left Spain to live in the australian Jungle.
Now he is happy enjoying it.
I hope that my fruitarian friends are surviving in the wolrdwide left Paradise-places.
I got some letters from other fruitairans. There is one who wanted to buy some Rain-forest in Argentina.. I hope he will survive..
Dear Dave, may be one day we meet and and i have to add that it is not so bad as it sounds, because i am allready aware of these things.
It is getting even harder the next years.
In future we all have to learn, how to survive as good and healthy as possible, without damaging more earth..
2040 there will be no ice at the poles some say.. and may be the humans will shout "man over board!".. when huge parts of the earth are covered with water.
Talking about that heavy stuff cannot make me cry as i am smiling most of the time because i am trying to survive.
Always look at the bright side of life..
In the Moment i am living on Kakis, Lemons, mandarines, lemons, grapefruits, Avocados tomatos, peppers ņoras from the zone, and seldom "imported" Bananas from Tenerifa, otherwise the market lady has to throw them away, as they had been imported allready from spanish Tenrerife to Spain.
I did not buy other imported fruits yet as Durian, may be i have to learn to accept imported fruits, as it does not really matter, what the aeroplanes are carrying..they planet will be desserted anyhow and i canīt stop it.
I want to add, that i am not buying tropical fruits except the seldom bananas from Spain or Kardamom from India.
I am not better at all, because i have to survive in a growing dessert.
You know that in Spain are growing bananas. They are much smaller and very tasty.
Also i had been planting a bananaplant in my garden and i cannot wait until it getīs big to eat my own bananas.
Also i have some granaderos and i enjoy to eat them. That may be the reason i am still alive.
Also i want to say that i had been breatharian various times and i am able to survive with less food than other fruitarians.
Writing about fruit makes me hungry again. I think i will have some oranges now.
Soon i will have madroņos from the mountain, sweet soft fruits in the spanish wintertime.
Also i am still eating some grapes, the most beautiful dates, and chirimoias and sometimes apples and pears from my friend. The spanish fruits are very delicious if you find those tradicional untreated old classes. sorry about my English i guess it could be much better. I still feel like an Indian and sometimes as a foreigner on this planet..
Good evening and best fruitarian wishes ons@ ru
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
Posted by: Fehler! Textmarke nicht definiert. (IP Logged)
Date: December 28, 2006 07:01PM
Dear f1 i think that i know what you are talking about because i am also tired about agressions.
I was sick about beating preaching nons and priests, talking about marriage beating childs.. How should they know better without beeing married.
It was horrible to stand some teachers in school when they turned out to act like missionars, as i can see what they did and still do to the first, second and third world.
May be we shall call them rudeariens.. because they came out so rude..
Also i want to tell you that i had been child-abused and tortured from mad adults, when i was a boy.
For that reason i cannot stand it when i feel manipulated.
i might understand your point better, as you told me, what you do not like.
I feel similar about it.
In my personal case the whole world is still my friend, even when we see the human made desserts.
To understand my point of few i want to expain:
A fruitarian girl had been suffering that she dos not find a boy friend and we had been talking about it. Most of the fruitariasn i know are still lonely, even when they try to arrange their lifes. The girl was upset about the case that she does not find a boyfriend because she is not able to make a compromise..
For that reason i want to give you a metaphoric example wich is quite common..
A fruitarian beautiful girl is walking in the Jungle and there is a cute looking guy showing up.
As the fruitarian girl loves the moment may be she will find the guy intersting and they begin to talk.
The girl will tell him, that she loves fruits most of all and the boy will tell her the same.
She will explain, that she is fruitarian and as she is so pretty he follows to tell her that he also is a fruitarian.
After a one night stand the boy wakes up getting hungry straight walking into Mac Donuts..
That is the point of a fake.
It would have been easier for the girl to meet a honest guy, but when she finds out that she cannot take him for real she will feel hurt.
We have a similar problem, we had been talking about.
Some fruitarians want to feel save with their lifestile.
If one is smoking and the other not, it will be found out soon. Some compromises work others not.
Some days ago i had been talking to my 86 years old reserve mother. She is over 60 years happy married with her husband. They are loving eachother very much. May be for that reason they had been getting so old..
I met lotīs of people - also some kept telling me that they are vegetarians and when they get hungry i can see the same persons five minutes later eating a huge peace of meat.
That happened just some days ago, when a girl told me that she is vegetarian. Half an hour later she had been eating meat with her friends and i kept smiling eating the most beautiful red pepper salad.
Also i am running 4 forums and as you can see also in a vegan forum.
I can tell you, that i nearly lost my hair about destructive forum snipers..
My reactions in agressive forums are allergic and i have only like minded friends in my own forums.
Endless disgusting nights i had been suffering with so called forum trolls i also called them internet terrorists, because they just love to fight others trying to suck others energy.
I cannot stand those destructive people ..never did.
Also iam listening to other fruitarians and their needs and they are all suffering more or less of the same general ignorance in between humans.
It would be much more easier to stay honest, because then there would be no herbivore, omnimvore, canivore vegetarians, instinctos, vegans, raw-foodist, neighter fruitarian word-war-games anymore..
I am as sick of it, i wonīt tell you more.
I just care about my own and i would not like to meet a person who pretends to be somebody else.
Instead i prevere to keep it as simple as possible because nowadays very view people are honest and reliable. They may do what the want, even destroy the planet, but i would not like to be involved in their lives nor stories.
If you meet somebody who keeps telling you how much he or she loves you, you will find out, when you need human .
I swear by my life, that only a honest loving person stands by your side as a dog, who is born to ne a dog.
Your dog loves you and you love him, no matter what and he would never lie to you.
Thatīs what i am talking about.
If a vegan goes into a shop to buy vegan soja-chicken i can understand, that a vegan is getting sick, when blood is running out of the opened package..
I will get upset if the pepper i am buying is carrying pig-skin because letīs say the pepper might have been Gen-manipulated.
There is no reason to pretend something else then what we are allready..
we are just human.. and there is no need for me to call myself fruitarian not even human, except to find other fruitarian friends.
For that reason i am happy when i meet real fruitarians.
That is such a relax, i can honestly tell.
I am not able to go out for dinner in a restaurant. I have to stay at home or open mky own restaurant, because there is not much left for me on this planet.
Meanwhile I am happy with what i am and what i have got, not asking for more anymore.
About 85 % of the human race are ruining our planet intensively and i also have to accept that, as i cannot stop human fanatism about human habits for pleasure.
As told I am to old and to tired to try to save the world.
Nobody i am able to save, not even myself.
Nearly i forgot to say, what Suvine told me one day:
She thinks, that the boys in Europe are much more agressive then in the States. I found it an interesting point of few.
To be happy and being able to live alone is enough for me, as i had been feeling lonely over 30 years of my life.
Some days ago i had been scared to down during the night climbing without light on my little training route. In the middle of that darkness i began to shake as i found out about one loose big stone, i had been grabbing.
Im that moment had been only able to continue climbing up that hill, because i had to get rid about my prejudice, as i began to judge that moment of my own fear.
I am looking forward to meet more fruitarians. For that reason i am eating an orange late in this night and hey buddy take it easy, you are my friend.
Finally i want to tell you that i am living fruitarian for different integration reasons. First of all, i love to eat fruits and the most wonderful taste. Ethics is only one fruitarian point of all. Being too courious to stop my fruitarian experiences i had been investigating more about human behaviour.
Our anatomic system is specialised for fruits. Wiothouit tools human would not be able to catch healthy animals. ..and so on.. i guess we all had plenty of time to think about why we are living as we are living..everybody is free as it should be..
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
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Date: December 28, 2006 07:27PM
Yeah I've run Fruitarian forums and after a while idle minds self destruct and people get agressive and abusive, that's why I don't focus on Fruitarianism anymore I focus on simply getting people to be active....you'll find all those agressive people will run away from you if there's hard work to be done!
Your amongst good friends here!!!!
Whenever you feel lonely just drop us a line!!!
Catch ya later!!!
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
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Date: December 28, 2006 07:40PM
Dear Fruit Eater, the only problem I see with laying down rules is that many of those who classify themselves as fruitarian (I'm talking about myself here so not to include anyone else's opinion or way of thinking or eating) are in the transitional phase of learning how to be a fruitarian, learning how to eat what works best for their bodies (mine is fruit with limited nuts and greens), learning why they are actually contemplating being a fruitarian (some are religious, belief, physical illness, environmental, nature loving, ahissma (spelling?), whatever it might be, some all some just one or two reasons). For whatever reason, my opinion is not to allienate anyone who is making an effort to change their behavior because it isn't as easy as it might seem to some. I do live with a family of omnivores. I love my family and especially my husband. He doesn't have the same viewpoint I have. I will say I have struggled changing. I was raised on a farm/ranch and have only started transitioning in the last few years. I know that it is correct to eat 100% fruitarian (for myself), for my body's health, my religious beliefs (that's a pretty strong one), for the sake of not killing other creatures, for loving myself - in all ways. I already know most of the arguments and must agree on many things. But as Dave maintains, we do not bash or make others feel bad for the ways they eat, by choice or not. I know from experience that when I eat fruitarian, I have a very deep love of myself, my fellow-mankind, animals, creatures (even flies and spiders). I am more spiritual, my body is light and pain-free. There is not one reason I can think of not to eat fruit except that sometimes it isn't entirely available. I know Suvine from recent posts. She is a wonderful person and friend. She lives in an area where there are many more fruit choices than I have here in Utah. Of course, I'm sure she is right about fruit choices being better in France. They are probably more organic and fresher for the most part. Alot of fruits in the US are imported or shipped to locations outside their area. Anyway, I strive to be more like Suvine; she's my fruitarian hero. When I grow up, I want to look like her. (I'm really 46 so that won't happen!) Just kidding. Trying to make humor. I'm very glad to meet you and other fruitarians here. I would love to talk to more fruitarians everywhere in the world. The only thing I don't want is to feel bad because I slip up, don't eat the way someone else thinks that I should. I want to be welcome and happy. Otherwise; what are we doing. Fruitarians are alone as it is in the world; we have to stick together and support each other, right? Well, enough said. I'm babbling now. Much love and hugs, Peggy (rawcountry)
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Re: Fruitarians in Europe
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Date: December 28, 2006 11:44PM
Dear Peggy i am glad we have the same friends. Also i fully accept your way of life. You are talking about tolerance without judging others. Thatīs great.
Exactly that we all have to learn.
The funny thing is, that i went to get a fruitarian without knowing any other fruitarians, nor the fruitarian rules of fruitarian organisations.
May be i am programmed from my mother, when i had been asking her as a three year old boy:
"Mama, what are the people eating in Paradise?"
My mother just sayed: "Fruits"
I think she was right and may be i have to finish my own fruitarian book to close it for ever.
I had over 70 fruitarian domains and i had been spending over about 3000 $ in one year, to find fruitarian friends, because i had been investigating working hard and serious to understand the fruitarian meaning of life.
After some while i had been making a personla test and offered nearly all fruitarian domains for free...
You wonīt have to guess what happend.. Nobody wanted them..
For that reason i had been throwing about 50 Homepages into the garbage can..
That was a very cheap and extraordinary interesting provocative experience.
Years before i did not know one vegan.
i learned to see vegans as some sort of strict idolresults of the degenerated society, as they are trying not to harm animals without consuming animal products.
They have a tough yob as they take care about the animal rights.
Some of them are quite agressive and realy angry most of the time..
I could not carry all that hate day and night inbetween hunters, animalrassists and the suffering vegans.
The vegan Philosophy made me think about what i was doing wrrong. For that reason i am greatful against vegans and i wonīt judge them nor others.
You have to know that i was allowed to stay fruitarian as a little boy because i was forced in school to eat all kind of things, until i forgot who i am.
Thanks God my sences came back when i changed to fruitarian again.
Some years ago i met Mango on the fruit-market and it turned out that we had been fruitarian brothers / neighbours for quite a long time without knowing eachother.
Also i met beloved Pleagus, Balta, and with the internet i had some more fruitarian contacts, lets say about 15 or 20..
I had been struggling hard on my way and it took me 30 years to find back to that simple truth, my mother told me about 40 years ago.
On my way i had been studying different religions, cultures and the fruitarian "natural rules" ...i did not write them, i just found..
The essence is more important to me and i am not picking at anybody about his lifestile, neither iam trying to lable fruitairans and fill them in a box or to sell something.
How to find likeminded fruitarians easier was my question.
For that reason i began to study the human behaviour and i was dissapointed, when i had been realising that people build altars arround their own habits, as it seems to be more practical for humans.
Meanwhile i went to get from zynical to sarcastic and self-ironic.
I was wondering why some people need to add some new rules to the fruitarian simplicity terms.
Also i was impressed, how big or how little fruitarian knowledge can be.
My result was, that somebody who became fruitarian with his heart needs to know nothing else, not Ahimsa, nor fruitarian guide-lines, neigther restrictions.
Complicated persons with a lot of doubts need to count the sand-corns at the beach and of course ..even if they never get ready with it.
Others are pointing with their fingers at other people to judge them for their behaviour..
All that dynamics are just some p.locical human compensation patterns..
Example: I show up on a raw food gathering without knowing anyone. Then i begin to listen to the people while they are talking about food.
They seem to work with similar rules, i cannot devine, and all who are living commune have synchronized ideas sitting together in like minded groups.
May be somebody is trying to be nice to a stranger like me and they invite me kindly to join them.
If they find out, that i am a fruitarian some of the visitors will get happy about it, because they might also be fruitarians or some think that that they are the only fruitarians owing the word fruitarian. In that case i will leave the place and never come back, immediately trying to go home again, because i do not feel welcome anymore, as nobody can convince me to do it as they do.That oonly can do my friend.
My question was: How can one find like minded fruitarians?
Today i got a letter from our fruitarian dating site:
"sweet Rudolf, we seem to be kind of alone on our fruitarianlove dating site...,
but please, lets not give up....
hopefully they will come....
love to you, S.. from the wery cold and wet m.."
May be they will come, may be not.
It does not matter to me, because i am allready at home.
Fruitarians are a human secret.
All my work had been very successful because it turnes out, as long i had been searching other fruitarians, less i need anybody else except my friends.
It is enough that other fruitarians exist. If i have to meet another fruitarian, it allready happend to me much more often then i ever thought.
I am allready used to love my fruityful hermit-life.
When others get ill i stay healthy.
When i make a mistake i get ill.
nobody can find furitarians because usually fruitarians mostly do not talk about it any more, when they found out what they have to find..
Everybody is right, there is nothing wrong.
Fruitarians like me are mostly alone..
let the the world celebrate, as i am celebrating aswell..
I remember the discussions about vegetarians at the advanced wwwveggieromance dating site, when people ask similar questions: Can that be healthy to live vegetarian?.. it was the first page in Europe who had been offering a vegetarian dating service together with fruitarian vegetarians rawfoodists vegan people.
Lady S.in M. wrote:
"please, can you create a website for FRUITARIAN singles, for DATES?
all the time i found what you found: mixed ones with vegans and vegetarians.
not ONLY with fruitarians..."
That was the reason i finally opened frugilove.
had been asked to open the frist exclusive dating site for fruitarians on the fruitarian world and i did, because she could not find fruitarian friends..
She had been suffering in dating forums as she did not find what she is seeking .. the thing about the dating forums is, that i had my own fruitarian forums but some fruitairans hesitatete to contact others as the do not know who is readiong the threads, and who is a searching single. Some forums have a lttle not, like..interested to find friends..
For me it does not make so much difference as iam able to comunicate.
At the other side of the hand i accept the needs of other fruitarians also the lonely "fruitarians only" fruitarians and also the "fruitarians they are only eating fruits". For that they should not be punished more than others.
Some fruitaqrians who are only living on fruits get turned off easy with ather fruitarians who cannot understand their point of few.
To stay loyal and support other fruitarian friends without labeling may be a key for better understamding with respect to fruitarian feelings.
It should be neutral as f1, Dave and you had been reflecting.
meanwhile it got funny:
If a fruitarians want to make friends, why look where other fruitarians are, when fruitarians may look anywhere else..?
...without getting a stamp in between my eyes..as an ironical fruitarian joke as Mango sayed one day..
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"If God wants us to be born naked without shoes we would not have come to earth already with boots on.."
Mango did right and went into the jungle..
Peggy you are a very nice person and sweet. i thank you for your direct answer and your courage.
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Date: December 29, 2006 12:03AM
Yeah I've run Fruitarian forums and after a while idle minds self destruct and people get agressive and abusive, that's why I don't focus on Fruitarianism anymore I focus on simply getting people to be active....you'll find all those agressive people will run away from you if there's hard work to be done!
now i know why iīm most of the time alone, whe i need to have something done, where i need 4 hands..
Interesting synchronizity - a good point and so true!
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in love with like minded fruitarians.
it, i have to stay honest in any case.
